Not trying to make light of situation in south ossetia (or provoke a debate), but can anyone identify what coat of arms is on the flag behind Georgian President Saakashvili’s right shoulder?
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9447/dudexr2.jpg
EDIT: I guess I should add, the image is from the past 24 hours.
The flag is identified by Viktor Lomantsov on Flags of the World http://www.fotw.net/flags/ge.html#prr as the "former" Georgian presidential flag, and the arms are similar to a design rejected by the Georgian parliament in 2004 http://www.fotw.net/flags/ge).html#les. Lomantsov says that the rejected design was used by the president anyway on the national holiday celebration. Apparently still on the presidential flag as well.
I’m not taken with the national arms of Georgia, but I do really like their current flag.
Those are the arms of the Bagrationi family (former kings of Georgia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Bagrationi_dynasty
Madalch;61890 wrote:
I’m not taken with the national arms of Georgia, but I do really like their current flag.
Agreed.
I also note the EU flag, but don’t understand Georgia to be a member (athough it is clearly a goal). I don’t suppose it’s considered improper to speak in front of it at a time like this?
Mark Olivo;61893 wrote:
Agreed.
I also note the EU flag, but don’t understand Georgia to be a member (athough it is clearly a goal). I don’t suppose it’s considered improper to speak in front of it at a time like this?
NATO, of which they are a "sort-of" member?
kimon;61892 wrote:
Those are the arms of the Bagrationi family (former kings of Georgia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Bagrationi_dynasty
Actually the coat-of-arms seen on the unauthorised Georgian Presidential Flag are a variation of the arms of the Royal House of Bagration as the first and second quarters are different, the ordinary of a cross Or is missing and the inescutcheon overall of the Seamless Tunic of Our Lord Jesus Christ appears to have a field of Or or Argent rather than the traditional Gules.
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The Royal Arms of the House of Bagration
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Doug Welsh;61898 wrote:
NATO, of which they are a "sort-of" member?
The Republic of Georgia is a member of the Partnership For Peace program of NATO. The greater US/NATO role in training the military of Georgia stems from the fact that Chechen Islamic militants were and are finding refuge in the more inaccessible mountainous regions along the Georgian border with Chechnya.
The Republic of Georgia has had a Partnership and Co-operation Agreement with the European Union since 1999.
It should be noted the the EU Flag is also the Flag of the Council of Europe of which Georgia is a member. The Council of Europe was founded in 1949 and is separate from the EU (and its predecessors). It adopted the blue Flag with the Stars in 1955, the same Flag was adopted in 1986 by the EU (or EC = European Community or more correct Communities as it was then). This is naturaly a rather akward situatation and should never been allowed in the first place if you ask me.
Actually there are two Royal branches of Bagrations (that of Georgia/Kartalinia and that of Imeretia) and several princely and noble ones (the princely Moukhrani branch being most known), all having different versions of the common arms.
The arms on the presidential banner contain no quartering with the attributes of King David, which illustrate the Bagratides’ descent; a quartering with saltire and a cross of St.Nina overall is included instead.
Hopefully a new standard will be approved, to correspond better to the arms of the State.
Michael Y. Medvedev;61910 wrote:
Hopefully a new standard will be approved, to correspond better to the arms of the State.
the banner of the state arms, gules with s. george, with crosses argent in each corner like the state flag would look nice. the counterchanged colours would go well next to each other.
Michael Y. Medvedev;61910 wrote:
Actually there are two Royal branches of Bagrations (that of Georgia/Kartalinia and that of Imeretia) and several princely and noble ones (the princely Moukhrani branch being most known), all having different versions of the common arms.
The arms on the presidential banner contain no quartering with the attributes of King David, which illustrate the Bagratides’ descent; a quartering with saltire and a cross of St.Nina overall is included instead.
Hopefully a new standard will be approved, to correspond better to the arms of the State.
You are correct in this statement regarding the variations of the arms of the branches of the ancient Bagratid Dynasty. It should be mentioned however that the Moukhrani-Bagrations are the senior male line of the dynasty and were the heads of the Royal House of Georgia prior to their being displaced by a cadet line.
xanderliptak;61911 wrote:
the banner of the state arms, gules with s. george, with crosses argent in each corner like the state flag would look nice. the counterchanged colours would go well next to each other.
I think that this would make a fine coat-of-arms, as retaining the present arms, Gules, Saint George slaying a dragon Proper, opens the Republic of Georgia up to claims on its territory by the Mayor of Moscow.
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The Greater Coat-of-Arms of the Republic of Georgia
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3534/460pxcoatofarmsofgeorgimi4.png
The Coat-of-Arms of the City of Moscow
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8976/200pxcoatofarmsofmoscowdq4.png
The Coat-of-Arms of the Moscow Gubnariya (province)
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pfft they are so clearly different 
David Pritchard;61913 wrote:
...retaining the present arms, Gules, Saint George slaying a dragon Proper, opens the Republic of Georgia up to claims on its territory by the Mayor of Moscow.
Ha ha, David, no more than Cromwell claimed Genoa.
David Pritchard;61912 wrote:
It should be mentioned however that the Moukhrani-Bagrations are the senior male line of the dynasty and were the heads of the Royal House of Georgia prior to their being displaced by a cadet line.
Dear David,
there were two sub-branches of the Moukhrani branch of the Bagratides; the senior was adopted by a King of Kartalinia [Georgia proper] and became royal, but then lost the throne (in favour of the Kakhetian Bagrationi Kings who reunited the two realms of Kartalinia and Kakhetia) and is extinct since the end of the 19th century. The second line was not covered by the adoption; this direct line of the Moukhranbatoni ancestors of the present Moukhrani-Bagrations never was royal and accepted its cadet position under the rule of the Kakhetian branch. The Moukhrani modern claim to the headship of the Royal House of Georgia was originally based on the [erroneous] presumption that the Royal line of Kartalinia-Kakhetia, which failed to emigrate, could not survive under the Soviet tyranny. Thanks God, the Royal line survived and if, after discovering this, the Moukhrani line maintains its headship claim, this is largely due to the purely practical, political expectations.
