Dohrman Byers;81562 wrote:

The reference is to the rim, circlet or headband of the coronet, indicating that the crosses and spearheads rise above the circlet (rather than being embossed on the sides of the headband where jewels are often set). Depending on the final blazon, there might or might not be a wreath supporting the coronet.

Okay thank you so this crest would be interrupted like such (see image attachment), less the torse since it not mentioned in the blazon.

Yes. Without the torse, this would fit the blazon.

I’m not overly familiar with the use of coronets, is there any convention for using or not using a torse when the crest has a coronet?

New question, Coronets are often encrusted with jewels or something when drawn, is it possible to specify the stone as encrusted with Opals?  My nephew, his mother and father were all born in October and it may be appropriate.  Or is that getting a little too specific?

Kathy McClurg;81588 wrote:

New question, Coronets are often encrusted with jewels or something when drawn, is it possible to specify the stone as encrusted with Opals?  My nephew, his mother and father were all born in October and it may be appropriate.  Or is that getting a little too specific?

It’s only too specific if they don’t care. If they want them to be Opals, then they should be specified as such. That said, I would probably not specify and then the coronet could have no jewels, which would be a nice, simple coronet in my opinion.

Way too specific!—IMO anyway, others may differ…

For visuals here is the azure coronet with and without opals/pearls. It does add something, in my opinion, and if the blazon stay simple… an azure coronet encrusted with opals… it leaves that artistic freedom on the size and placement of the jewel mentioned.

http://www.custom-gifts-and-arts.com/heraldry/mclurg_lioncrest_coronets.jpg

After much communication with the nephew and folks, I think we have it - a bit more detailed than I normally like, but he greatly prefers the mouth closed and the Opals (his parents and his birthdays are all in October).  So, last call for comments:

Issuant from a Coronet composed of Latin Crosses and Spearheads alternately raised on points above a rim encrusted with Opals Azure a Lion’s Head mouth closed Proper.

Does that imply the Opals are also azure? or should it be:

Issuant from a Coronet encrusted with Opals composed of Latin Crosses and Spearheads alternately raised on points above a rim Azure a Lion’s Head mouth closed Proper.

Thanks!

How about:

Issuant from a Coronet composed of Latin Crosses and Spearheads alternately raised on points above a rim Azure encrusted with Opals a Lion’s Head mouth closed Proper?

I think Jay’s would be better.

Thanks Jay and Daniel,  that’s it then.  I’ll get it submitted as a change to the USHR and we’ll go from there.  WHew, glad I only had one nephew!

Kathy or to whomever might be curious:

If the opals and the rim were to be azure the blazon would be worded differental.  "a rim encrusted with opals azure (make everything blue to this point) a lions head mouth closed proper" BUT "a rim azure (just the rim is now blue) encrusted with opals a lions head mouth closed proper" (making everything after azure to be proper).

Now that Brian has it all confirmed and it is all figured out I can start on his plate -

Here is something new,

I was wondering if there was anything such as a blue opal - apparently there is, so maybe we need to add to Jay’s blazon:

Issuant from a Coronet composed of Latin Crosses and Spearheads alternately raised on points above a rim Azure encrusted with Opals <Argent> a Lion’s Head mouth closed Proper

Or do we leave Opal colors (apparently a variety are available http://www.bernardine.com/birthstone/opal.htm) to the artist?

Additional thoughts/Comments?

If one really needs to get that specific, I’d just say "proper." Let the artist epresent them as well as he/she can. No decent artist is going to use blue opals on a blue coronet.

Thank you, Father - I actually didn’t think we even needed "proper" because if the specific stone is identified, it’s left it to the artist to properly render the stone.

Is that correct?  Thus we are back to:

Issuant from a Coronet composed of Latin Crosses and Spearheads alternately raised on points above a rim Azure encrusted with Opals a Lion’s Head mouth closed Proper

Thanks again,