i agree with Joe. first thing i thought of was the Calvanist angle, which is fine, just not sure that’s what you’re looking for. if it is, then great, if not, i’d move away from it and back towards what you originally posted only re-tooled.
Joseph McMillan;86590 wrote:
Okay, now I’m on firmer ground: I would have to say that although we don’t exactly have a worldwide patent on it, the burning bush is so closely identified with Presbyterianism and the Reformed (Calvinist) churches more broadly that it could convey a strange message for a Catholic seminarian.
This is a very good point.
Donnchadh;86610 wrote:
i agree with Joe. first thing i thought of was the Calvanist angle, which is fine, just not sure that’s what you’re looking for. if it is, then great, if not, i’d move away from it and back towards what you originally posted only re-tooled.
Well, if two people look at it and think "Calvinist" then maybe it isn’t appropriate. It’s definitely not what I’m going for.
Jay Bohn;86585 wrote:
Simpler is often better; certainly an improvement over trying to crowd too many charges in. If you do still feel the need to add the star, you could put it on a shield hung from the tree,
I like that idea a lot, but it’s looking like the tree should probably go altogether. Back to the drawing board.
I think the tree can stay; I just wouldn’t have it on fire. Or maybe elm leaves?
http://www.elmcare.com/images/identi2.jpg
Three of them could be arranged pall-wise conjoined, for example.
By the way, I see no reason to stay away from the canton. I defer to Fr. Guy, but is it really the custom for religious to put a canton of their order on their personal arms?
Joseph McMillan;86621 wrote:
I think the tree can stay; I just wouldn’t have it on fire. Or maybe elm leaves?
http://www.elmcare.com/images/identi2.jpg
Three of them could be arranged pall-wise conjoined, for example.
By the way, I see no reason to stay away from the canton. I defer to Fr. Guy, but is it really the custom for religious to put a canton of their order on their personal arms?
I was pretty attached to the being-on-fire thing, mostly because I have already selected a motto, which is Zelus domus tuae comedit me ("Zeal for thy house hath consumed me"); fire seemed like a good allusion to that.
Now I’m thinking maybe fire itself could be the main charge. (Or like, a semy of flames, or an orle of flames or something.) If anyone could think of a way to keep the tree or the elm leaves in with that… I’m drawing a blank right now.
As for the canton thing, Fr. Selvester is definitely the expert on that subject, but I can mention the two examples that led to my impression: first, here, on the arms of Abp. Blenk of New Orleans, and also on these arms which Fr. Selvester designed. This isn’t uniform practice—what is in ecclesiastical heraldry?—as it seems to me that many Franciscan bishops would rather allude to the OFM with a chief or with the crossed arms of their order in base.
damase;86625 wrote:
I was pretty attached to the being-on-fire thing, mostly because I have already selected a motto, which is Zelus domus tuae comedit me ("Zeal for thy house hath consumed me"); fire seemed like a good allusion to that.
Now I’m thinking maybe fire itself could be the main charge. (Or like, a semy of flames, or an orle of flames or something.) If anyone could think of a way to keep the tree or the elm leaves in with that… I’m drawing a blank right now.
This might not look good at all but I cant draw it so we’ll have to wait and see. But what about having a border that looks like flames (rayonny? Sorry, forgot the proper term) with the tree in the center. That might look like the tree will be consumed by the flames but not quite yet.
j.carrasco;86626 wrote:
This might not look good at all but I cant draw it so we’ll have to wait and see. But what about having a border that looks like flames (rayonny? Sorry, forgot the proper term) with the tree in the center. That might look like the tree will be consumed by the flames but not quite yet.
Here’s a rough emblazonment:
http://schrenk.us/coas/arms7.png
Not bad! The bordure rayonny seems like it would be a real pain to draw, though.
A variation on that:
http://schrenk.us/coas/arms8.png
I don’t mind having a chief if I don’t have to squeeze charges onto it.
Per fess rayonny and per pale Gules and Or four elm leaves counterchanged?
Joseph McMillan;86630 wrote:
Per fess rayonny and per pale Gules and Or four elm leaves counterchanged?
Woah, I’m really liking that.
damase;86628 wrote:
Here’s a rough emblazonment:
http://schrenk.us/coas/arms7.png
Not bad! The bordure rayonny seems like it would be a real pain to draw, though.
A variation on that:
http://schrenk.us/coas/arms8.png
I don’t mind having a chief if I don’t have to squeeze charges onto it.
I actually really like both of these, but I agree a rayonny border would be very hard to draw.
Joseph McMillan;86630 wrote:
Per fess rayonny and per pale Gules and Or four elm leaves counterchanged?
Maybe the leaves can be conjoined?
Jay Bohn;86636 wrote:
Maybe the leaves can be conjoined?
Something like this?
damase;86641 wrote:
Something like this?
Actually I was thinking all four, but the rayonny line may make the counterchanging appear too complicated.
I’m coming into this a bit late, but first, congratulations on your acceptance to the Seminary and thank you for embracing your vocation within the Church. :D
One symbol that is very Catholic is the 3-tier Papal Cross. You could include that somewhere innocuously on the field and that would take care of your Catholic devotion nicely. You could also use a hand / arm holding a Papal Cross in your Crest and leave the field for more personal charges.
Just my 2-cents….
damase;86641 wrote:
Something like this?
I like that a lot actually
I would stay away from the three-tiered cross; seems a bit presumptuous. The elm leaf ideas are simple and bold. Don’t try to do too much.
