OK - guess we should run back to heraldry a little…
Blazon: Or on a Pale between two perch hauriant Azure a chalice Or (or of the first)
Now, do the fishies need to be blazoned in such a way to their "bellies" face a specific direction? I think I have the "default" shown.. but it’s kind of an academic question…. reguardant seems a bit strange because they aern’t really "facing" each other… Or is that a "artistic license" issue?
A reasonably common—and therefore unlikely to be so distinctive as to be "taken"—depiction of fishies is enbowed like this:
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—I forget the term in blazonry. How about a chalice between two fishes [special term for )( ]—pretend that the Y is a chalice:
)Y(
—simple, canting, etc. & hopefully unique.
I like Michael’s idea… elegantly simple.
I liked it, too - but… not a favorite of the armiger… <sigh>
So, here’s what we’ve come up with in my horrible PPT style..
Of course the fish will be colored properly - for some reason I can’t get it done on PPT from a clipart..
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1078&stc=1&d=1335912695
So, blazon help?:
Per bend Azure and Or between a fish embowed and a chalice a bend engrailed couterchanged.
Doing a run through my information - I haven’t found one like it, but granted my resources are limited…
I believe with the latest emblazonment (which serves well enough to get the point accross), that the design would be better if both the chalice and the fish were orientated "bendwise."
I should add, I don’t think the shape of a perch lends itself well to being portrayed as being embowed. Your initial ideas seemed better to me than this latest.
On a separate but "possibly" related note, if the client doesn’t want to be heraldically sensible and follow your initial suggestions he is shooting himself int he foot in my opinion. He should be willing to compromise and follow your lead, especially if he has no previous experience with heraldry or a critical eye for it. In this case, he doesn’t likely even know what he doesn’t know and it would be your duty to hold nothing back when something looks bad (not saying you don’t already do this Kathy, lol).
So basically, allowing the uninitiated client to direct the design without willingness to be led first by the heraldist is like letting a patient with no medical training tell the doctor the best way to set his broken leg and then proceeding to administer the patient care and claiming it as your own. I would think that as a heraldist you wouldn’t want to be responsible for a bad design regardless of the preferences of the client in the same way a doctor would not want to be responsible for administering a patient’s self directed witch doctor healing chant.
Jeffrey Boyd Garrison;93227 wrote:
I should add, I don’t think the shape of a perch lends itself well to being portrayed as being embowed. Your initial ideas seemed better to me than this latest.
On a separate but "possibly" related note, if the client doesn’t want to be heraldically sensible and follow your initial suggestions he is shooting himself int he foot in my opinion. He should be willing to compromise and follow your lead, especially if he has no previous experience with heraldry or a critical eye for it. In this case, he doesn’t likely even know what he doesn’t know and it would be your duty to hold nothing back when something looks bad (not saying you don’t already do this Kathy, lol).
So basically, allowing the uninitiated client to direct the design without willingness to be led first by the heraldist is like letting a patient with no medical training tell the doctor the best way to set his broken leg and then proceeding to administer the patient care and claiming it as your own. I would think that as a heraldist you wouldn’t want to be responsible for a bad design regardless of the preferences of the client in the same way a doctor would not want to be responsible for administering a patient’s self directed witch doctor healing chant.
The client liked the first two - it was suggested here that there was a good possibility it was probably already in use (which I couldn’t find a case - but there are many more resources and much more experience here).
Although the client wasn’t thrilled with Michael’s suggestion, I did run more than what you’ve seen past them. You must remember - I’m not showing all options here… I have already been successfull in getting a metal and a color and down to two charges… which… you folks haven’t seen this from start to finish, but only when I think we are "closer" to having a resolution. Ultimately the client does have to "like" the design and it needs to be heraldically correct and not already in use (checking this should bedone with due dilligence, but due to the lack of really decent international databases - cannot be exhaustive - hence "spreading" the design thought around a bit to see if others "catch" something I missed). I wouldn’t say this is a "bad" design - it follows most conventions, isn’t "logo-esque," or "clip-artsy" (although the emblazon is limited to clip-art)...
I don’t agree that the chalice would look better in bend - there’s somethig about tipped cups that implies spillage - the embowed perch.. I can see the point…
Michael’s idea… I did try the fish haurient - but I can’t get the clipart I have on that to change to gold/yellow…
Remembering that a decent artist can shape the chalice and fish to be more complimentary to each other…
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1079&stc=1&d=1335951662
Kathy McClurg;93232 wrote:
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1079&stc=1&d=1335951662
Looks too slot machine to me.
How about: Azure, a perch embowed fesswise between three chalices two and one Or
What about a chalice charged with a fret of fish, similar to that on the "bough pot" in the arms of Old Aberdeen as quartered by the university.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Aberdeen_university_logo.gif
James
A good suggestion worth persuing James. :D
Kathy McClurg;93232 wrote:
Michael’s idea… I did try the fish haurient - but I can’t get the clipart I have on that to change to gold/yellow…
Remembering that a decent artist can shape the chalice and fish to be more complimentary to each other…
http://www.americanheraldry.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1079&stc=1&d=1335951662
What about keeping the same idea but getting rid of the actual chalice and putting a pall in its place? The Y shape of the pall could be a slight cant to the chalice idea. It would actually look very similar to what Michael had originally typed out - )Y(
James Dempster;93237 wrote:
What about a chalice charged with a fret of fish, similar to that on the "bough pot" in the arms of Old Aberdeen as quartered by the university.
James
That’s an interesting idea. It wouldn’t hurt to try charging the chalice with at least one fish.
